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Praying with Priests: Fr. Bob Welsh

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Hi, I’m Father Michael Denk, from The Prodigal Father and I am here with Father Bob Welsh who is a Jesuit and first of all Fr. Welsh can you tell us about some of your curriculum details you’ve done over the years.

FATHER WELSH:  What I’ve done over the years was that I was a teacher.  I taught in high schools both UD High in Detroit, University of Detroit High School and St. Ignatius in Cleveland.  Those were wonderful years I enjoyed especially getting to know the kids, the boys because we have only boy schools in my province.  No that’s not true because Walsh is ours and Walsh is a coed school.  But any way some of the things that I’ve done, well as I say, I taught and I enjoyed teaching.  I enjoyed teaching Latin and history.  Teaching theology is more difficult that’s because there’s a fairly complicated curriculum for teaching history.  It’s history and that’s all there is to it.  But in theology, I found theology more difficult to teach because every kid thinks he is a theologian.  And so he will come out with some unbelievable things and I have to control my laughter and then try to answer as well as I can.  But I enjoyed that very much and I would go back to it if I could in a wink.  But I was pastor of a Jesuit parish in Toledo for three years.  I also gave the spiritual exercises many times since I was ordained and that was in 1967.  So I’ve given the exercises a number of times and have enjoyed that very much because you enter into a person’s life, which is very sensitive, and you have to be very respectful of that person who he or she is and how they’re responding to what you’re trying to get across to them.  I have found that to be a profoundly powerful experience because what you’re doing is you’re entering into the life of the Spirit who is entering into this person’s life.  And so, you are somehow providing excess to that life and celebrating that life.  I’ve been very fortunate giving the exercises to many different people, men and women, older, younger.  It’s been a great time for me.

FATHER MICHAEL:  The first time I met Fr. Welsh I was actually on an eighth day retreat that he led me on and found it was a wonderful . . . the first time I really came to know Jesus and the Father personally.  They became very real in my life and you helped me to see that especially.  So, a lot of what I’m doing today is because of the first retreat that I made with you.

WELSH:  Wonderful to hear that.

MICHAEL:  So I have talked about you in my book “Pray40Days” so if you haven’t read the book I encourage our listeners to read that.  But what I’d like to know about you, Father, is how your prayer . . . how this began in you.  So, if you think about yourself from the time that you were a child.  What was your first memory of prayer?

WELSH:  I remember being as a very young boy in my mother’s arms and praying at the same time.  I remember being with my two sisters, I have three sisters, one who died before I was born and I was very close to my sisters.  I have two brothers, I was less close to them but my brother, Jim, who continues, is living now . . . I remain very close to.  He’s a marvelous guy and I dearly love him.  So, I don’t know how to describe other than praying with my family, I did that.  We prayed the rosary.  It was a big thing.  My mother said three to five rosaries a day.  She was an extraordinary woman, very close to God.  She was the one who by her prayer, by her encouragement taught me and because I wanted to be like her, I prayed like she did.  She had a personal relationship with the Sacred Heart.  The Sacred Heart was absolutely everything to her.  She felt very much at home with Him.  One of the things I loved about that relationship was she treated Jesus as though he were a son or a brother to her.  She would say things like, “Well now you better get busy on this” whatever it was.  “I can only can only wait so long.”  She would talk to Him like that.

MICHAEL:  This is where you got it from then?

WELSH:  I did.

MICHAEL:  Today by the way is the Feast of the Sacred Heart.

WELSH:  It is fitting that we’re talking about a relationship to the Sacred Heart on this Feast Day.  But I enjoyed praying . . . how would you put it? . . . I enjoyed praying in an ordinary way.  Speaking to Jesus as though He is . . . not as though, that’s a terrible way to put it . . . that He is a personal friend and you’re checking in with Him throughout the day to seek Him out and you spend time with Him and I have fun with Him.  I will talk to Him about strange things that happen like, “Oh Lord will you take a look at that woman and that hat.  She does not know how to dress, but I’m not going to inform her of that.”  We would carry on discussions like this because I feel very much at home with Him.  I’m very grateful for that.  And I got a good part of that from my mother and I got it also from the spiritual exercises because I’ve been making the exercises now for over 50 years.  I had different people explain them to me as retreat directors.  So, I’ve been just very fortunate to feel comfortable.  That’s the way I speak of it.  To be comfortable with Jesus is to be comfortable with a good friend.  So therefore, I treat Him like a good friend.  I mean, I will kid with Him.  I will talk in a very direct way.  I will clown around with Him, tell Him He’ doesn’t know what He’s doing.

MICHAEL:  Does He talk back to you?

WELSH:  Oh yes.

MICHAEL:  Tell me about that.

WELSH:  Well, I will sometimes get this, “You think you know so much?  Let me just show you buster what you don’t know.”  He’s very, very able and very ready to put me in my place and He does that and I enjoy it.  I enjoy because I know we have this relationship of a very personal love and a relationship of friendship where I count on Him as a friend and someone I just like being with.  I tell Him that.  “Lord, it’s great to be hear with You.  It’s great to spend time with You.  I’m so grateful to you that You would spend time with me.”  And so, I’d wait a bit to consider that, you know.  Maybe I would move on, maybe I would just stay where I am depending upon what seems right.  What seems right is usually His movement because He’s the one who’s in charge of this conversation.  I’m trying to get close to Him and tell Him that I love Him and I do tell Him that I love Him.  And He lets me know of His love and His love for people, just people.  I love to . . . it’s one of the reasons why I watch the news . . . I get insights into people.  Then can ask the Lord to heal, to help, to understand, to spend time with those people.  So that’s a very rich life which I have on occasion, not as though I have it all the time, I don’t.  But on occasion and usually it’s more often than not because I just feel so constantly at home with Him and at ease with Him.  I can kid Him.  I can tell him . . . I’m always telling Him, “Where were you when St. Ed’s beat us in football?  Where were you?  This is not the Jesus Christ I know and love.  Come on.”  So, we kid with one another that way, we clown around.  And I’ve taken to praying for people that I know and spending time in my mind with them and asking the Lord to give them the things that they need.  What they need first of all is a relationship with Him.  So, I ask the Lord, “Let Jack here know who he is.”  Now Jack does know who he is but I will ask the Lord to deepen this relationship so that he knows ever more clearly that the Lord loves him and celebrates him and is wild about him.  I love that phrase.  The Lord is . . . well it’s not a phrase, it’s a sentence . . . the Lord is wild about you.  Just wild, He’s lost His mind over you.  It’s just a vacuum of debt.  That’s sort of, oh I don’t know, I don’t know if it’s . . . it certainly is informal but I think it’s right.  I feel comfortable with that kind of prayer.  So, I do that.  I enjoy it.  I celebrate it and I have a good time praying for people.  People that I know.  People that I love.  People in my family who are dear to me.  I’m very fortunate to have been introduced to this kind of prayer when I was a young man because my prayer life has been opened up and it’s wide as the world and so I try to take the world in when praying the way Jesus would like me to pray.  So, I ask Him for that gift.  The gift to pray Lord as you wish, as you wish me to pray and to be interested in you Lord not just know you but be interested in Your ways.  In how You would phrase something.  In what you would do in a particular juncture and I ask Him to help me fit in to His plan, whatever that plan may be.  So, I have found that to be a rich way of praying, a rich way of praying.  Just spending time with Him and enjoying that and kind of telling people about it.  I felt very much at home . . . I feel very much at home with people so that I can speak to them.  I feel at home with you, Mike.  I feel as though if there were anything that would separate us, is taken away.  I feel that way about Jack too.

MICHAEL:  Well, can I be so bold and as to say that some of that at homeness is probably because you have come to know how accepted you are as you are by the Lord.  I think He gets a kick out of you.

WELSH:  I think so too.

MICHAEL:  I think as I’ve come to know and love you over the years I can only imagine what the Lord thinks about you.

WELSH:  I think that’s true.  I think He would say, “Well, God knows you’re a horse’s ass” and I’d say, “Yeah, that’s right.  That’s nothing new.”

MICHAEL:  Now, most people would never think to pray like that.

WELSH:  Sorry?

MICHAEL:  Most people wouldn’t pray like that.

FR WELSH:  That’s prayer because you’re in His presence.  You’re speaking to Him about something that’s interesting at least to you which is your own prayer life.  So, I find that really absolutely everything can speak of Christ or of Jesus, of the Spirit, of the Father if you so desire and I do desire that.  Which is a great gift and I know it.  I mean, I certainly have lived part of my life unaware of any of that.  So, becoming aware of it has changed the depth of my life and I’m grateful.

MICHAEL:  I think that myself and I think a lot of people have experience affect did it have for you when you were praying with your mother.  Was it something that you were bored by.  Did you enjoy it?  What was that like?

WELSH:   I enjoyed it because I was doing something she liked.  She wanted me to pray, so did my dad.  My dad was a holy man.  I know that as a fact.

MICHAEL:  Why do you say that?

WELSH:  He was a man of great justice.  He loved people.  He served them, he was a bailiff in court, and so he served people.  He was funny and he would laugh at himself but also, he would laugh at different situations.  We had this . . . I don’t know if you’d call it a regular thing but . . . my dad was great at telling stories.  I’m terrible.  I’m just terrible.  He was great.  He could imitate an Irish man.  He could imitate a Jew.  He could imitate someone from. . . in fact he was very good at it . . . someone from the Middle East or especially from (pause) Poland.  He could take that way of speaking, broken English and it would be hilarious.  So, we used to . . . what we would do . . . after supper, we would push everything in the center of the table so, the dishes, meat or whatever it was we were having, push it in the center and dad would regale with stories from the courthouse and I use to look forward to that so much.  I think he did too because he loved an audience.  He was always very happy to have an audience and he enjoyed it and we enjoyed so that it was a wonderful give and take in our home.  When I was a young boy, I was the youngest of six by many years.  In fact, I asked my mother once, “Ma, am I a mistake?” and she said, “Yes you are.”  I said, “I was hoping not to get that answer.”  She said, “You probably wanted the truth didn’t you?” and I said, “Well, maybe.” And she said, “Well, that’s what I gave you was the truth and yes, you were unexpected but I want you to know” . . . she did that, she didn’t have to tell me, I knew . . . “how dear you are to me.”  And, I knew that I was very dear to my mother and father.  We had a family that grew up, and I was the youngest, and we were very close.  We loved one another.  I had a problem with my brother.  Of the six children, one of them died when she was quite young about three or four years old, and it was a great thing to be able to live, and I knew it.  I knew it was a great family and a great opportunity to be with one another, to love one another and to enjoy this marvelous relationship that I had with my brothers and sisters, my mom and dad and with the Lord.  It was like heaven.  It was just wonderful.  I wish I had been as wonderful as the relationship that was offered me but I wasn’t you know.  Because I wanted to be liked.  I wanted people to enjoy me and so I was careful that, you know, I lived thoroughly, openly with my family and with our neighbors.  We had wonderful neighbors and I would spend time going over to their homes.  My mother used to always say . . . we had a Bertoli family live next to us, an Italian family.  They were right next to us so in the summer the windows would be open and I’d say, “Ma”, shouting out the window to my mother which was right next door, “can I stay for supper you know with the Bertolis?”  “Did you ask if you could stay?”  “No Mom they just asked me.”  “Yes, you may.”  I soon picked up on the fact that if I had done anything to prompt this invitation, she would say, “No, come home.”  So, I had relationships with the neighbors.  I had a great Godmother who lived on our street, Gaylord Avenue.  We were very close.  I was thinking of her a week ago how dear she was to me and how good she was to us.  So, I had a lot of people who were very kind to me.  Very loving and I’m grateful to this day, to this moment, for the goodness.  Their goodness to me.

MICHAEL:  One of the things I know you taught me was these people help us know who the Father is.  We tend to image God by the human love that we have received.  So, it seems that from the time that you were a child you had a wonderful experience of family being the primary church.  Where you really experience the sacredness in your own family this life of the Trinity within your family.

WELSH:  That’s right and we had various devotions in our family so we had a lot of flowers around and in May we always had an altar to Mary in her honor.  We would change the flowers.  I would change the flowers for my sisters because they might be dying and I wanted them to be very nice.  So, those things, relationships were very important to me.  I didn’t know why they were but they just seemed right and it seemed to me as though . . . and I used to say this, “I’m living a marvelous life and didn’t know why but I would say to people, “Do you know my brother?  Do you know my sister?”  My sister Elizabeth who I remained very close to until her death.  I had a sister, Mary, who died in childbirth and I had a sister, Alice, who died at about four years of age.  So, I have these relationships or semi-relationships because I had a sister that died before I was born but I have taken to speaking to her, talking to her, asking her questions and I know with all my heart that these people . . . You know what it’s like?  It’s like a whole group of people, you can see their faces and you know their stories about the relationship to yourself.  For me this is maybe a 100, 200 people that I was close to and I remain close to or some who have maybe moved away or I moved away but what I got was the awareness of being loved.  I knew I was loved.  I was loved by my dad.  I was loved by my mom.  I was loved by my sisters and brothers and I was the last one.  The next one was my brother Jim who was eight when I was born so I was really at the end of the line but I was aware of the fact that I was loved by my family.  And that I would say is more important in developing a child than anything else I can think of.  That you and the Lord are going through this day together and that’s what it’s been for me.

MICHAEL:  So, you have a wonderful foundation of love from your family and of your family.  Prayer with your family, devotional prayer, the rosary being held and prayed with your mother.  Did you have anytime of personal prayer or private prayer when you were growing up?

WELSH:  Oh sure.

MICHAEL: What did you do or what was that like?

WELSH:  I would talk to Our Lady because I had a devotion to her.  I would talk to her as a friend and then ask her to take care of me or ask her to help the Wildcats win in football this weekend.  I mean it was crazy in a way but it was real.  It was where I was and where the Lord was with me and then it grew and grew in a different way.  So, it wasn’t just about kidish things but more about the world.  The horror of what’s going on in the world.  I would beg the Lord not to let me be aware of some things.  I was aware because He would take my prayer in another direction and I just wanted to be open and enjoy Him.  I knew I had to be careful in that area and ask the Lord, as I do, I ask the Lord keep this from me.  I’d ask the Lord, I’m frightened of some things.  Rats are one thing. I’m just frightened and I beg the Lord not to let me see a rat in my room or in here anyplace.

MICHAEL:  I think that is wonderful to be honest about anything with the Lord even if it be your fears or insecurities or whatever.

WELSH:  If you’re not real with Him, what’s the use because that’s what He asks.  He doesn’t want you to be pretending with me.  He wants the real you.

MICHAEL:  So, when were you . . . or going from a child going to high school, when did your prayer mature or when did you start to hear the call to the priesthood or how did that all work?

WELSH:  Priests and nuns in my family were very important.  We had no one in my family who was . . . well I had cousins who were nuns.  But it developed . . . I don’t know exactly how except that it was normal.  Prayer was normal for me so talking to the Lord was ordinary and usual.  So, I would ask Him, please don’t let me think of rats, because I’m frightened of them.  Or anything else that is usually . . . See, if I’m watching television I may turn a channel off because it has snakes and say, “I don’t need to watch this.”  I may be goofy but it’s my goofiness and it’s the Lord who take me as I am and so I’m confident in that.

MICHAEL:  When did you first hear the call to priesthood?

WELSH:  I had an uncle, he was my mother’s uncle would be my great-uncle, who’s a holy man he and his wife.  He took care of his wife for thirty years and she needed help just living through the day.  He was very dedicated and he knew I had expressed an interest in the priesthood when I was a little boy.  He took that and ran with it.  So that I got . . . and I still remember this . . . a small altar that was lighted from within and there were candles that light came up through them and I would have that and I would pray before it.  I would ask the Lord or I would take a statue or Our Lady or the Sacred Heart and place it on the altar and I would pray.  That was from a very young age maybe 6 or 7.  We had great priests at our parish.  Holy Name Parish in Cleveland.  Just wonderful priests and so I got to know a few of them and felt at home with them and a relationship just grew.  So, that idea of being a priest was something I can’t even remember when it started.  It was just always there.

MICHAEL:  When did you go into the seminary?

WELSH:  After high school.  I joined the Society of Jesus.

MICHAEL:  Why?

WELSH:  I had been going to school at St. Ignatius.  I got to really enjoy the priests and scholastics of seminarians who would come out and teach for three years or so and two or three years and I got to know them at Ignatius.  I was in many extra curriculars which were usually run by the scholastics and I got to know them and I had a lot of fun.  The thing that I saw was they had fun with one another and I loved that.  So I said I want to have that fun too.  I could kid around with people in my class and there were three . . . four people entered the Society from my class and I’m the only one left.

MICHAEL:  Was there any marked moments of growth either in high school with the Jesuits or when you entered the seminary where your prayer took a different level?

WELSH:  I don’t think so.  I’m not aware of it.  It usually is part of my dullness.  It usually I become aware of things after it happens and then they say, “Oh, I guess that’s what that means” and then enjoy it.

MICHAEL:  You talked about the experience of directing people in the exercises.  What was it like for you to actually go through that yourself.

WELSH:  A priest taught me the exercises when I was a novice.  Now all of us were going through this, there were about 60 of us who were making the exercises.  There were parts of it that were very hard and then parts that were just delightful and I loved them.  It’s not as though there was a particular thing that happened which then brought me to this new awareness.  I wasn’t aware of that.  Perhaps it was happening and I just didn’t know it.  Which once you get to know me you’d say, “Yeah that’s par for the course.  He’d be the last one it would dawn on.”

MICHAEL:  Well, how about the transition then into Ordination or becoming a priest?  What was your prayer life like as you began to celebrate mass?

WELSH:  It was simply spectacular.  I mean, I was so happy, so happy preparing for priesthood and then be ordained.  That was a big thing in my family.  It was very important to everyone in my family that I was going to be ordained.  I had a number of Jesuit friends.  Some of them elderly and some of them younger than me and we got together and would speak of it and I would simply say, “I don’t know, but God is doing something. I don’t know.  I don’t know what it is.”  But it was happening because I felt very close to God and I certainly couldn’t direct that and say well now it’s God’s time so I’ll give Him some time.  It was all God and I just had to listen to Him.  Learn to listen, learn to pray.  I guess what happens Mike, is that I no longer, over time, became to no longer worry about myself whether I was pleasing God or not pleasing God.  Leading a good life or not.  Those things were just . . . as He moved in, I moved out.  And so, that was why I’ve had such a happy life.  I’m very grateful for the life I’ve had because I spent so much of it with the Lord.  I clown with Him, I kid Him, I tell Him off sometimes . . . He tells me off too sometimes.

MICHAEL:  Well, I think one of the things that you’re known for obviously is St. Ignatius and you are the president of St. Ignatius for how many years?

WELSH:  21

MICHAEL:  21 Years and you certainly with the Lord have kind of left your mark on there.  As you look back on that time what do you God did with you in terms of imparting this spirituality on that institution, on those people, on the students?

WELSH:  I think what He did in letting me come to know Him more and feel to comfortable in that knowledge of being loved was that I opened up and I became fearless in the sense of . . . am I pleasing God, am I not pleasing God, or for heavens sake, of course I’m pleasing God.  What’s wrong with you.  So, just to live life as it comes and to recognize that He’s with you.  I had this desire.  When I was teaching, I did not have a desire to do anything else and I wanted to continue to teach because I enjoy being with the boys and teaching them, clowing around with them, etc. etc. etc.  But, I was called to do this particular job which was raise money for the high school.  And I said, “I don’t want to raise money for anything.  I don’t want to do this.”  And, the superior said, “Well, we need you to do it because there isn’t anyone else.”  I said, “Well that certainly sounds good so we need you.  Thanks a lot.”  But I said, “OK.”  Then they wanted me to be the president of the high school.  I didn’t want that because I thought that would draw me away from the kids.  But, as God would have it, that was an important part of my ministry was recognizing St. Ignatius High School is an instrument in God’s hands.  Therefore, I should get this intrument in tip top shape and so I worked at it from that point of view.  But that was the only reason why I would go out and raise money which is something initially I didn’t want to do.  Then found that I was pretty good at and kind of liked it.  I probably shouldn’t say something like that but I liked raising money for the school.  I’m grateful to God that what I did was I turned everything over to Him.  Because I was giving a retreat for example, or working with kids on retreat.  I would constantly keep them in mind and giving them over to the Lord . . . handing them over to the Lord.  I used to do that.  I used to go into our chapel . . . in the residence, we have a beautiful chapel there . . . I would hand these kids, I would have their names and I’d say, “Now Lord, take care of so and so.  Come alive to him.  Let him see You and come to love You.”  That was a very important part of my ministry and that’s the only reason why I could do it because I was so confident of the fact that Ignatius was an instrument as anything else is an instrument, or not, is an instrument in God’s hands.  If you let it me that and that is what I tried to do.

MICHAEL:  That’s beautiful and I think that would be good for anyone to know that whatever their involved in, whatever their work be, that that could be an instrument for God.

WELSH:  Absolutely.  And people will be surprised what an instrument can do.  When they say, “Oh gee I was raising money.”  Well, that’s not like teach theology or something like that.  No, but it’s as important as teaching theology, if it’s what God wants you to do.  And generally, I thought God was asking me to do those things.

MICHAEL:  So now, as you transition into retirement, or have transitioned in retirement, what is it like to be retired as a priest.  Do you still pray or have you given up prayer as a retired priest?

WELSH:  Sure.  I try to spend time with Him in the morning and in the afternoon and in the evening.  It may be fairly short because I may be watching television or something of the kind.  That must sound terrible when you’ve talking about Christ and God and getting to know etc. etc.  Now you’re talking about the real world, huh?  Your real world, not all that spiritual.  But actually, I found it to be that anything that you’re doing, if you’re doing it with Him and for Him, is all you have to be worried about.

MICHAEL:  Yeah, your whole life becomes prayer.  To pray always.

WELSH:  Yes, that’s what it is.

MICHAEL:  As we come to the end of this, I’d like to ask you . . . there are many people that don’t have what you had.  First of all, a wonderful childhood, wonderful parents.  You think about kids that are raised up in broken families today.  Maybe that didn’t have any kind of formation in the spiritual life.  Didn’t have the opportunity to go to the seminary.  Doesn’t feel comfortable with God.  Doesn’t feel at home with God.  What would you say to that person that is listening and this is totally foreign to them.

WELSH:  I would say, one of the things that will help you an awful lot is patience.  Patience with yourself.  Patience with God.  If you have particular kinds of prayers that you like, practice them.  That’s fine.  I would hope that people could find it in their hearts simply to open themselves to the Lord and call upon Him and then let happen what happens because the Lord is interested in you praying.  The Lord is interested in you coming to know Him.  So, be confident of that.

MICHAEL:  And that might be that the key is that patience because some people will say to me or a priest, “I talk to God all the time, but I don’t ever hear from Him.” Or, “I ask Him but He doesn’t give me answer.”  Does God speak to that person or how do they hear His voice?

WELSH:  Very good question.  I think sometimes when you hear when it’s the right time for you to hear and when movement can come as a result of you “OK, what do you do then?  Do you give up on prayer?”  “Well, yeah, He hasn’t giving me anything.”  I say, “Well, why not go back to Him again and what I would urge you to do is to put it to Him . . . Here I am, I’m waiting on you and I’m asking you to fill my life.  That’s what I’m asking.  I’m not asking for a million dollars.  I’m not asking for this degree or anything else.  I’m asking to know You and to love You and to serve You.  That’s what I’m asking and I want you to let me know that that’s happening.”

MICHAEL:  I like that.  That’s a good way to end it.  So, if you’ve been struggling in your prayer life, don’t be afraid to go back to it.  Put it to Him, put it back to God and once more, entrust yourself to Him.

WELSH:  That’s right.

MICHAEL:  It’s been wonderful being with you Fr. Welsh.  I would love if you would give me and our listeners a final blessing.

WELSH:  Sure, I would be happy to do that.

WELSH:  Lord, Jesus, come to these two good men.  Give yourself to them so that they know how dear they are to you in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.  Amen.

MICHAEL:  Amen.

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Fr. Michael was ordained into priesthood in the Diocese of Cleveland on May 12, 2007. He is dedicated to helping others encounter Christ through the celebration of the Eucharist, preaching, the Sacrament of Reconciliation, spiritual direction, and prayer.

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